On Old Age and Friendship

On Old Age and Friendship Cato maior de senectute est dialogus philosophicus a M Tullio Cicerone anno a C n scriptus paulo antequam mortuus est Qui dialogus in colloquio inter tres personas consistit Cato Maior disputat de

  • Title: On Old Age and Friendship
  • Author: Marcus Tullius Cicero Frank O. Copley
  • ISBN: 9780472061785
  • Page: 459
  • Format: Paperback
  • Cato maior de senectute est dialogus philosophicus a M Tullio Cicerone anno 44 a.C.n scriptus, paulo antequam mortuus est Qui dialogus in colloquio inter tres personas consistit Cato Maior disputat de senectute cum P Scipione Aemiliano et C Laelio.Laelius de amicitia est dialogus philosophicus M Tulli Ciceronis, quem scripsit anno 44 a.C.n post Caesaris mortem, quCato maior de senectute est dialogus philosophicus a M Tullio Cicerone anno 44 a.C.n scriptus, paulo antequam mortuus est Qui dialogus in colloquio inter tres personas consistit Cato Maior disputat de senectute cum P Scipione Aemiliano et C Laelio.Laelius de amicitia est dialogus philosophicus M Tulli Ciceronis, quem scripsit anno 44 a.C.n post Caesaris mortem, quia Titus Pomponius Atticus Ciceronem aliquid scribere de amicitia oraverat Liber narrat de amicitia inter Publium Scipionem Aemilianum, nuper mortuum, et Gaium Laelium cos 140 , qui est persona princeps dialogi.

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    1. Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43 BCE)For not only is Fortune herself blind; often, too, she makes blind men of those whom she has taken to her bosom. In the end they are virtually driven out of their minds by pride and arrogance - and nothing in creation is more unbearable than an imbecile blessed by Fortune.() Cato Maior de Senectute (literally, something like Cato the Elder on Old Age) - usually just referred to as On Old Age - and De Amicitia (On Friendship) are two of the philosophical dialogue [...]

    2. It’s about time that I read some Cicero. In the history of writing, it is difficult to overstate Cicero’s influence. To quote the most authoritative source I know, : “His influence on the Latin language was so immense that that the subsequent history of prose in not only Latin but European languages up to the 19th century was said to be either a reaction against or a return to his style.” It does seem that, until recently, everyone with any pretensions to education read him. I can’t co [...]

    3. I have read and enjoyed Robert Harris trilogy about Cicero. In the spirit of trying to always go back to original sources, I wanted to read more by Cicero, rather than just about him. In this treatise, Cicero writes about old age using the form of a dialogue between Publius Scipio and Marcus Cato. Cato begins by saying he does not have any special wisdom about aging, he is merely following Nature. The best way to prepare for old age, then, is to have "lived much as well as long." The core of the [...]

    4. It was now lunch time and they were all sitting under the double green fly of the dining tent pretending that nothing had happened"This is the key reading of this short story, it is a continuous question on why this happens and by its reasonsThe first question is to understand why Francis Macomber is a coward and why, being afraid by the lions, he is in Africa for a safari.Margot Macomber is an handsome woman, Francis "loves" her because she is a "trophy wife" and she "loves" him because he is v [...]

    5. از این دو رساله که به طور خلاصه و به صورت آزاد ترجمه شده اند، عیش پیری را می پسندم اما راز دوستی را نه چندان. البته پسندیدن صرفا به عنوان نوعی اندرز و حکمت نه همچون نوشتار دقیق فلسفی - که البته خود سیسرو ( یا کیکِرو ) هم چنین ادعایی ندارد.رساله ی دوم یعنی راز دوستی بر دوستی مبتنی بر [...]

    6. Fama Ciceronis philosophi hodie haud celeberrime divulgatur: antiquatus autem, etiam nuperrime, hoc est Renascentium artium aetate, suffragio paene omnium tam sapientia quam facundia eius laudabantur. In ludis illis temporibus et postea philosophia "moralis," ut ita dicam, haec est quae ad mores spectat, his operibus docebatur. Quam apta ad haec sunt! Hic senectus amicitiaque tractantur. Quid praeclarius? Amicitiam, solacium optimum vitae, atque senectutem, laborem quondam commune hominum, intel [...]

    7. 2 rakami ile baslayan yaslarima yaklasmanin getirdigi korkuya iyi geldi. Olur da orta yas sendromunu yasarsam bidaha okuyacagim.

    8. Libro entretenido, claro y con una prosa, por momentos poética; recomiendo -sobre todo a los jóvenes- el "Tratado sobre la Vejez". Ellos pueden preprarse para esa vejez que todos quisiéramos y que, como dice Cicerón: "Pero tened presente que en todo este discurso mío, yo elogio aquella vejez que descansa sobre los fundamentos de la juventud. De lo que resulta aquello que dije una vez con gran aplauso de todos: que es mísera la vejez que se defiende con palabras. Ni canas ni arrugas pueden [...]

    9. I found On Old Age to be a very nice treatise on old age. It addressed four objections to old age in a concise and insightful way, with humor that made it easy to swallow. On Friendship was rambling and a bit superfluous, with observations such as "loyalty is necessary to friendship". I usually give the benefit of the doubt to the classic author rather than myself so I left this thinking that, maybe, I should read it again. Perhaps I miss much because I cannot read Latin. From what I understand [...]

    10. Když si člověk uvědomí, že texty byly napsány před více než 2000 lety mísí se v něm obdiv a pocit nicotnosti (jak málo se toho změnilo). Hrozně ráda bych si s Cicerem sedla v jedné místnosti a probrala spoustu jeho tvrzení. S jeho textem o stáří mám trochu problémy. Vadí mi jeho zjednodušování, vybere pár příkladů, řekne - podívejte, stáří není špatné, protože ten a ten se ve stáří měl dobře, neměl problémy, zůstala mu bystrá hlavička a rozkoš [...]

    11. Cicero lists four reasons why old age is considered an unhappy phase:“The fact is that when I come to think it over, I find that there arefour reasons for old age being thought unhappy: First, that it withdrawsus from active employments; second, that it enfeebles the body; third,that it deprives us of nearly all physical pleasures; fourth, that it isthe next step to death. Of each of these reasons, if you will allow me,let us examine the force and justice separately.”He goes and examines the [...]

    12. Buen par de ensayos o monólogos. Desde las perspectivas estoicas y del neoplatonismo hace una introducción en estos 2 temas, que se van ramificando en varios asuntos. Aparte de su punto de vista filosófico, hace una exposición bastante clara desde la sencillez, el sentido común, y basándose en sus propias experiencias. El lenguaje es claro y fácil de leer, no hay ninguna dificultad. También ayuda un excelente prologo que da un repaso a la biografía de Cicerón, su obra y las corrientes [...]

    13. Terrific insights into the problems of youth and old age: ideas that will live forever. Contemporary people can learn some valuable lessons from this book, especially in view of our current culture's treatment of the subject of friendship as if it's just a matter of two people having similar tastes in smart phone apps.

    14. On Friendship - quite an interesting read, especially his belief that friends should share all interests and pursuits.On Old Age - This was one of the most beautiful pieces of writing I have ever read. Old age is not something to be feared, it is something to be enjoyed. His discussion of death, and why we should not fear it, is great for everyone.

    15. An aristocratic look at friendship and old age. Typically Ciceronian in quality, which means the best that Rome had to offer. Delightful insights into both aspects of a good life. Stoic in philosophy but has been used by Christian authors for two thousand years. At age 65 the treatise on old age speaks to me personally across the millennia.

    16. These are two conversations that were told to Cicero and recorded by him in letters to friends. Reading these treatises has given me the desire for closer friends and has stayed my fears concerning old age and death. These are refreshing and enlightening treatises and were a delight to read.

    17. Classic Ethics TreatiseI especially like the treatise on growing old where Cicero mocks those who resent having successfully live a long life. He then goes on to point out some f the advantages of being an elder man.

    18. It was really worth at least 3.5 on my Likert scale. As the title implies, Cicero talked about friendship and old age. My life is more complete for having read it. It is brief and an easy read. It deals with 2 topics that, if applied, will make us better people : )

    19. Although the description is in Latin, the book is not. I chose this edition because Copley's translation is modern and readable. Cicero provides insights on both these subjects that are as relevant today as they were in ancient Rome.

    20. Yaşlılık üzerine olan bölüm bir çeşit ölümle yüzleşme terapisi olarak da okunabilir ki ben bu bölümü daha çok sevdim. Her şekliyle klasiklerden biri ve mutlaka okunmalı.

    21. An excellent read full of wisdom. Short enough for anyone to get through. Free download on Ibooks or at Gutenberg.

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